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I have seen only two to three ELS examples of phrases more than two words in length, and am not sure that ELS found those by the same sequences. If the phrase was found by the same unbroken sequence pattern, that would be truly impressive. If phrases are being put together by individual words, each found by different sequences, that would start to smell suspicious. 

I do not understand the statistical calculations that supposedly come up with the incredible non/random probabilities. If you stop and think about it, there are 'trillions' of possibilities as to where one could start a sequence or how big the equal lengths are, etc. It appears that the sky is the limit, i.e. there are no limits on how people can find results. There must always be definable parameters.(a limit of possibilities).before accurate probabilities can be determined. 

The problem I see here is that apparently no one.(at least I have not heard of anyone).testing this on non Biblical sources.(note: testing has been done on sources other than the.Bible.in the original; it doesn't work).or better yet, on a randomlyrearranged Biblical source. That is what must be done. There are just too many ways to approach the thing in order to come up with the conclusions that people want to come up with. The whole Biblical text is going to have to be jumbled and then some side by side searches done. Again, that is the rigorous type of testing that theomatics has done. 

And of course when some professor from Harvard or MIT does the calculations.(based upon data fed to him by the ELS researcher).and comes up with 'jillions' to one probabilities, who would even dare question that? The big problem with all of this is, if it is NOT true, someone is going to eventually expose it. That would not only bring down the credibility of the house of ELS, but also the house of theomatics. Ouch! 

You are right about people not understanding the stats. The equal problem for the person debunking the claims, is that no one will understand his stats either.(nor will most people want to believe them). What will happen is that a handful of both the proponents and the debunkers will end up talking past one another. 

I really do believe that theomatics holds much better potential for scientific verification than anything else that has.(apparently).ever been done, including ELS. The problem is convincing others of that fact. If ELS eventually goes down, it is really going to hurt theomatics. If ELS holds up, most everyone out there will automatically accept theomatics as being more believable. It is unfortunate that it has to be that way. I would feel like the republican who lost the election because he ran in the year all the democrats swept into office. Del


Links to ELS Sites
We contemplated providing a list of sites dealing with the Torah Codes, but there are so many it is hard to pick and choose. For best results, use a search engine such as Bing or Google and type in key words, such as: Torah codes, codes in the Torah, Hebrew codes, such as 'Codes in the Pentateuch', 'ELS phenomena', 'The Signature of God', etc. You will bring up dozens of sites that will provide lists and links to other sites. Be sure to search Usenet.(newsgroups).as well as the Web. 

One of the best places to start, is the Resource Page at Georgia Tech. 

Unlike theomatics, ELS does not utilize the numerical values for the letters of the Hebrew and Greek alphabets, nor does ELS work with the numerical values of words.

Theomatics is probably the most solid, credible, valid and scientifically provable discovery of all time, relative to God and the.Bible. Yet nobody in the academic community is paying attention.

The facts are all right there, in plain sight for everyone to see. But few people seem all that interested. As almost 90,000 copies of our original book have sold and an innumerable number of people have had their hearts blessed and touched deeply by this discovery, it has seemed amazing that to date, no one has picked up on all of this. Surely, the all wise and all knowing Sovereign Lord, has been in control of it all.
   


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